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Timelessblur · Post by **Timelessblur** » Wed May 07, 2003 10:49 am

There a reason my Screen name is not on this site anymore. I can think of a few reason why they are charging about that bandwith.

1st. He could be using to much bandwith and the univerty and they are telling him that they are going ot start chargin him for all of it over the amount he allowed.

2nd. He could be grautating this month witch means he looses his free hosting and he needs the money to set up the site on another server.

I think both those answers are the logical answers (I would of posted them last time but I needed to run.

DADINK13 · Post by **DADINK13** » Wed May 07, 2003 10:52 am

Master Jedi wrote: Note at hop 17 that the packet did pass into the university of reading network.

Hmm......most interesting....

I didn't get that IM because my screename isn't the one I use.

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:57 am

Where did they get their infomation? I looked at www.whois.sc and got this infomation:

JDENNIS.NET

Website Title: JDennis.net - Welcome
Server Type: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_perl/1.27 PHP/4.3.1 (Spry.com also uses Apache)
Yahoo Directory: AOL Instant Messenger (AIM)
Yahoo Title: JDennis.net - DeadAIM
Yahoo Description: Program that allows users to remove the ads from AIM.
Website Status: Active
Web server hosts: 2 other websites hosted
IP Address: 134.225.60.5
Visit Website: www.jdennis.net
Record Type: Domain Name
Monitor: Add jdennis.net to My Monitoring List
Search all domains: query: jdennis
Other TLDs: .com .net .org .info .biz .us
X X

Name Server: NS0.DEADQUICK.NET NS2.MICHONLINE.NET
ICANN Registrar: COMPUTER SERVICES LANGENBACH GMBH DBA JOKER.COM
Created: 17-jun-2000
Expires: 17-jun-2003
Status: ACTIVE

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
domain: jdennis.net
status: production
origin-c: jim@salisbury-net.co.uk#0
owner: James Dennis
email: jim@salisbury-net.co.uk#0
title: Mr
address: 38 Castle Road
city: Salisbury
state: Wiltshire
postal-code: SP1 3RJ
country: GB
admin-c: james@jdennis.net#0
tech-c: james@jdennis.net#0
billing-c: jim@salisbury-net.co.uk#0
nserver: ns0.deadquick.net
nserver: ns2.michonline.net
nserver: ns3.jdennis.net 217.204.217.66
registrar: JORE-1
created: 2000-06-17 11:31:11 UTC core
modified: 2002-06-06 14:15:05 UTC JORE-1
expires: 2003-06-17 11:31:11 UTC
source: joker.com

db-updated: 2003-05-07 18:46:48 UTC

Direct link: http://www.whois.sc/jdennis.net

Timelessblur · Post by **Timelessblur** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:31 pm

I would not be surpised if they guy just made up informatoin or he thinks he can get the big-o forums to go agaist Jim

DADINK13 · Post by **DADINK13** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:40 pm

I dunno...because I just ran a trace myself:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Carl Viñas>tracert www.jdennis.net

Tracing route to www.jdennis.net [134.225.60.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 8 ms 9 ms 12 ms 10.22.224.1
3 17 ms 10 ms 10 ms dstswr2-Vl2.rh.hntnny.cv.net [167.206.34.162]
4 9 ms 9 ms 11 ms r2-ge9-2.mhe.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.34.133]
5 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms r1-srp1-0.cr.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.12.38]
6 8 ms 9 ms 10 ms r1-srp1-0.wan.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.12.98]
7 14 ms 12 ms 11 ms r2-srp13-0.in.nycmny83.cv.net [167.206.12.148]
8 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms so-2-0-0.gar2.NewYork1.Level3.net [167.206.8.62]
9 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms ge-1-3-0.bbr1.NewYork1.level3.net [209.247.9.205]
10 75 ms 75 ms 77 ms so-0-0-0.mp1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.128.157]
11 76 ms 76 ms 75 ms so-3-0-0.mp2.London2.Level3.net [212.187.128.45]
12 76 ms 75 ms 76 ms pos5-0.hsipaccess1.London2.Level3.net [212.187.129.254]
13 76 ms 77 ms 79 ms 195.50.116.202
14 78 ms 78 ms 78 ms lond-scr2.ja.net [146.97.37.73]
15 79 ms 82 ms 79 ms po5-0.read-scr.ja.net [146.97.33.5]
16 78 ms 77 ms 78 ms po2-0.reading-bar.ja.net [146.97.35.78]
17 77 ms 77 ms 80 ms ureading-a.site.ja.net [146.97.40.70]
18 80 ms 79 ms 80 ms fw-ext.core-wk.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.254.2]
19 79 ms 79 ms 83 ms core-wk.dist-its.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.252.2]
20 80 ms 80 ms 98 ms hvpc20-60.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.60.5]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Carl Viñas>

Same results as Master Jedi..

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:47 pm

Edited Out first part...

1 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms 10.109.16.1
2 10 ms 60 ms 40 ms fas0-1-0.rochnyhtn-rtr01.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.
89]
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms pos5-0-0.rochnyscp-rtr01.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.
0]
4 10 ms 20 ms * srp4-0.rochnymth-rtr04.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.3.
]
5 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms srp3-0.rochnymth-rtr02.nyroc.rr.com [24.93.3.
]
6 60 ms 20 ms 20 ms pop2-alb-P3-2.atdn.net [66.185.148.121]
7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms bb1-alb-P2-0.atdn.net [66.185.148.132]
8 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms bb1-nye-P6-3.atdn.net [66.185.152.205]
9 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms pop1-nye-P0-0.atdn.net [66.185.151.49]
10 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms Level3.atdn.net [66.185.149.50]
11 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms ge-1-3-0.bbr1.NewYork1.level3.net [209.247.9.
]
12 91 ms 120 ms 90 ms so-0-0-0.mp1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.128.
]
13 90 ms 90 ms 91 ms so-1-0-0.mp1.London2.Level3.net [212.187.128.

14 130 ms 90 ms 90 ms pos4-0.hsipaccess1.London2.Level3.net [212.18
29.250]
15 110 ms 130 ms 100 ms 195.50.116.202
16 100 ms 90 ms 130 ms lond-scr2.ja.net [146.97.37.73]
17 100 ms 90 ms 110 ms po5-0.read-scr.ja.net [146.97.33.5]
18 140 ms 130 ms 170 ms po2-0.reading-bar.ja.net [146.97.35.78]
19 101 ms 100 ms 100 ms ureading-a.site.ja.net [146.97.40.70]
20 100 ms 100 ms 101 ms fw-ext.core-wk.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.254.2]
21 90 ms 100 ms 110 ms core-wk.dist-its.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.252.2]
22 100 ms 90 ms 140 ms hvpc20-60.rdg.ac.uk [134.225.60.5]

It's not uncommon for Colleges to have big backbone lines going through them though... Right? If the College is anywhere near the their hosts site it *could* have to get onto their line to get to the host's IP.

Like I said over at their forums though... It doesn't matter if they are lying are not... It's their program to do with as they please.

insomica · Post by **insomica** » Wed May 07, 2003 2:42 pm

why don't you ask them on their forums about it?

DADINK13 · Post by **DADINK13** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:43 pm

PhaseDMA wrote:It's not uncommon for Colleges to have big backbone lines going through them though... Right? If the College is anywhere near the their hosts site it *could* have to get onto their line to get to the host's IP.

I don't think that's common at all. The only traffic I've seen a trace on go through or come from a college is when the server is there, or your the machine doing the trace. But never anything like that. Most if not all colleges are behind some sort of firewall to keep out unwanted traffic.

I know at my old school, the network admin had blocked all ports that are known to be used by hackers, and had a packet filter on our firewall, which also caused a serious slowdown in incoming traffic...

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:46 pm

Not inside the darn College... Just owned by it...

DADINK13 · Post by **DADINK13** » Wed May 07, 2003 9:47 pm

I still doubt it--but then again, that's England. Who knows what they do over there.

Axilla · Post by **Axilla** » Thu May 08, 2003 4:28 am

I don't see why theres so much drama between DeadAIM and AIM+

I used to use AIM+, and still would if it was supported with 5.0, but I use DeadAIM now, and continue to post on both forums, where some of the people think I am moderately amusing.

If anyone from here wants to start posting on jdennis.net, just say "Hey I'm a friend of Axilla" and you don't have to be there soley to "bash" them.

Anthony · Post by **Anthony** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:10 am

I don't remeber ever bashing them on their forums (except the stupid people that were... well stupid).

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:16 am

I have to agree with Axilla. I didn't join there just to bash. I don't even use AIM addons anymore so I'm just around for the ride. But really, people from here do advertise AIM+ a lot on that forum. Now, don't we get mad when people come around here pushing DeadAIM? So why is it okay if we go over there and advertise AIM+?

Axilla · Post by **Axilla** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:42 am

Michael wrote:I have to agree with Axilla.

You say it like its a hardship or something.

harra · Post by **harra** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:46 am

I'm agreeing with Michael on this one. Just by mentioning Big-O or AIM+ on the DeadAIM forums is a verbal "endorsement" of the product (unless you are slamming them). I also believe they have every right to slam AIM+ in their own forums! It is not uncommon to slam the competition on support forums. But to go in and raise a stink trying to defend your product on the competition's website is just not cool. It makes you look like you are just trying to sell something or that you are immature.

The frequent posters over there are probably just as loyal to DeadAIM as the frequent posters over here are loyal to AIM+.

Personally, I find it awefully funny how the reactions toward's Jim & Co's decision to charge for their product are very similar to the reaction toward's Ryan and Mark's decision to halt production of AIM+ 3.0. The accusations of deception, the conspiracy theories, etc.

My 2 cents is that we should just butt the heck out of what is going on over there. Let them slam AIM+ if it makes them feel good, because the people coming here to download AIM+ aren't getting those recommendations by reading the JDennis forums. They are getting the recommendations from their friends and families.

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