DeadAIM becoming part of AIM 6.0 ?

[DADINK13]

You'd sell out too if somebody offered you enough money, and if you say you wouldn't, your either lying or you dont make good economic decisions.

Well then go ahead and call me a liar. I have morals, thank you very much. And I don't care if somebody gave me a million dollars to fuck the First Lady, I still wouldn't do it. I prefer to do things the honest way through hard work and determination. I'm not Metallica--I don't do things just for money. I do things because I know I'll acomplish something by doing it.

Who here hates hypocrites besides me?

Then you must hate yourself.

Call me a liar again, and I'll be forced to go apeshit on your sorry sold-out ass.

I have not had any problems with DeadAIM that everyone else has had.

Me neither. I don't like it all that much, but I deal with it. I don't like driving a Japanese car, but I deal with it. Now I drive a Jeep!

[J3utton]

Im sorry, but threats aren't neccesary. You can go apeshit on me if you wish, however I fail to see a point in doing so.

I wasn't talking about fucking the first lady (even though im sure you wouldn't have a chance with her)... But your trying to tell me that if you work hard on something, and then somebody walks by and sees what you did, and thinks to themselves 'wow, thats pretty neat' then offers you a more then fair deal for it, you wouldn't take it?

And no, Im not talking about anything sentimental here. I mean computer code??? Id be very surprised if you yourself made an aim addon, then aol contacted you and said they wanted to buy your program and incorporate it into their next release that you wouldn't except their offer.

I wont call you a liar again, maybe you wouldn't "sell-out" as you call it (however I see it as a smart economic decision). Maybe you would say no to someone handing you a lot of money for your hard work and giving you a chance to go start working on something new and different. Maybe you would do that. But if you did, I, along with a lot of other people, would think your a fucking idiot.

[Timelessblur]

I have not had any problems with DeadAIM that everyone else has had. The program is not that bad. But I would switch to AIM+3 in a heartbeat if it was released. If it had tabed IMs and realtime logging.

I would be back in a heart be if it came out. The realtime logger is what I want.

[ojms]

So AOL picked to work with DeadAIM over all AIM+. Hmm wonder which program is better now then.

[lordicarus]

In a intresting twist a lot of the "prestigious" at the JDennis forums seem quite pissed (to put it lightly), and have stated they would not continue to use DeadAIM as their AIM add-on of choice.

Some have even stated they would rather fall back onto 4.8 and use AIM+...

I'm not saying this was a bad choice for JDennis in the long term, but this really isnt something you throw on your customer base... First a fee for the program (after people had been using a free version of that exact version for a while...) Then a new version, with a new price system, and now the ?buy out? of JDennis?

Just another reason why AIM+ remains a huge competitor in the AIM add-on field even almost after a year of no production.

I know this is going back a bit in the thread... but... I don't know if I would consider myself one of the "prestigious" but I definitely am one of the ones that said I will fall back to 4.8 and start using AIM+ again if this actually happens. I think its completely ridiculous. And if JDennis had anything to do with AIM+'s demise, bah... there aren't even words that could express the kind of anger in me if that's the case.

[edit]Strange... I guess my post count got reset because my account became inactive . Oh well. Note: I don't care about the "sell out" factor, because I would probably do the same thing, I just don't like the way JDennis has handled their public relations and marketing strategies. I would bet that Jim knew how he was going to do DeadAIM 4 and that it was going to come out only a few short months after DeadAIM 3 was being charged for. This, is greed, not good economics. Good economics would have been keeping 3 as is, then charging for 4, because he would have realized that people were going to get pissed and leave. I think there would have been much less of a pirating problem if it hadn't been marketed this way.[/edit]

[Axilla]

God you all miss the point.

Selling out would mean that the company is taking money at the expense of their customer's satisfaction.

What it seems JDennis is doing is the complete opposite, taking money from a large source so that their customers can have the same benefits without having to pay.

Who loses here? AOL/AIM made an offer, they got what they wanted. JDennis gets money they deserve from being good programmers (say what you want about flaws, whatever, show me tabbed IM windows that are as nice as DeadAIM somewhere else), AIM users get a great new version of AIM for free. So I ask again, who loses?

[aaii]

Im sorry, but threats aren't neccesary. You can go apeshit on me if you wish, however I fail to see a point in doing so.

I wasn't talking about fucking the first lady (even though im sure you wouldn't have a chance with her)... But your trying to tell me that if you work hard on something, and then somebody walks by and sees what you did, and thinks to themselves 'wow, thats pretty neat' then offers you a more then fair deal for it, you wouldn't take it?

And no, Im not talking about anything sentimental here. I mean computer code??? Id be very surprised if you yourself made an aim addon, then aol contacted you and said they wanted to buy your program and incorporate it into their next release that you wouldn't except their offer.

I wont call you a liar again, maybe you wouldn't "sell-out" as you call it (however I see it as a smart economic decision). Maybe you would say no to someone handing you a lot of money for your hard work and giving you a chance to go start working on something new and different. Maybe you would do that. But if you did, I, along with a lot of other people, would think your a fucking idiot.

haha quite...

[harra]

My understanding of what the term "selling out" means is this:

Selling out is when you are part of the underground (in this case free products) and you decide to take a large chuch of change to become part of the machine, the cold-hearted corporate machine.

When GreenDay got their large recording contract, those in the Punk Music circles viewed them as a sell out because if you got paid and airplay for your music you were a sell out. Plain and simple. Metallica is viewed as a sellout because they decided their pocket books were more important than everything else. In the case of Metallica, I believe the quality of the music has suffered, but it isn't necessarily directly related to them selling out. I think it's more because James Hetfield "got sober". Some would say Green Day provides a BETTER product than they did when they were "underground". But in both cases they became part of the "corporate machine" and that made them a sell out.

[Walker]

So AOL picked to work with DeadAIM over all AIM+. Hmm wonder which program is better now then.

Go Crawl Back To The Thread At JDennis, Which I see is VERY Inactive, and has stupid posts made by :cough: ... I Won't even go there.

Your point being?

the point is, after aol bought winamp, winamp 3 totally sucked ass

i think that was the point

I believe that was merely a bad design choice. Hence the revertion to the WinAmp 2 platform.

Nope, Not A Bad Design Choice. It DID Suck Major Ass.

[fuuucckkers]

... about flaws, whatever, show me tabbed IM windows that are as nice as DeadAIM somewhere else) ...

*cough* GAIM *cough* -- it's been a feature for years now... and there are no bugs. It works perfectly

[DADINK13]

Im sorry, but threats aren't neccesary. You can go apeshit on me if you wish, however I fail to see a point in doing so.

Then you're blind.

But your trying to tell me that if you work hard on something, and then somebody walks by and sees what you did, and thinks to themselves 'wow, thats pretty neat' then offers you a more then fair deal for it, you wouldn't take it?

Not when it's a company like AOL, who even made Time Warner fail, loosing millions of dollars in the process.

And no, Im not talking about anything sentimental here. I mean computer code??? Id be very surprised if you yourself made an aim addon, then aol contacted you and said they wanted to buy your program and incorporate it into their next release that you wouldn't except their offer.

I don't know how to program. So that won't happen. And some people treat things they make like their children: They watch it grow and develop over time. Would you treat your children like an object? Would you sell your children at the drop of a hat?

I wont call you a liar again, maybe you wouldn't "sell-out" as you call it (however I see it as a smart economic decision). Maybe you would say no to someone handing you a lot of money for your hard work and giving you a chance to go start working on something new and different. Maybe you would do that. But if you did, I, along with a lot of other people, would think your a fucking idiot.

Then call me a fucking idiot. I'd rather be happy than rich.

So AOL picked to work with DeadAIM over all AIM+. Hmm wonder which program is better now then.

They picked DeadAIM because it's the only decent program for the AIM 5.x series available right now. Unfortunatly, they had to deal with an inferior product.

Go back to your own forum to bitch yourself--both of you. I behave myself in your forum, we would appreciate the same respect here.

Selling out would mean that the company is taking money at the expense of their customer's satisfaction.

What it seems JDennis is doing is the complete opposite, taking money from a large source so that their customers can have the same benefits without having to pay.

Who loses here?

Let this play out, when AOL has some fine print that Jim didn't see when he signed the contract stating "We own all rights to your code and can manipulate it however we please at your expense." or something of the sorts. Jim gets angry and sues AOL because they stole his code. Jim looses court battle. AOL sues Jim back for infringement of contract. Jim looses again. Jim ends up paying AOL out the wazoo for the rest of his days.

AOL's a big company--they would do something like that and not bat an eye. Fear the corporate machine.

[harra]

Let this play out, when AOL has some fine print that Jim didn't see when he signed the contract stating "We own all rights to your code and can manipulate it however we please at your expense." or something of the sorts. Jim gets angry and sues AOL because they stole his code. Jim looses court battle. AOL sues Jim back for infringement of contract. Jim looses again. Jim ends up paying AOL out the wazoo for the rest of his days.

AOL's a big company--they would do something like that and not bat an eye. Fear the corporate machine.

That is why the founders of Netscape and WinAMP left AOL's fold. They were very restricted in what they could do. Also, if I remember correctly, anything they developed or "thought up" while receiving $ from AOL/Time-Warner became product of AOL/Time-Warner. Intellectual Property agreements are very common in the IT/Software Development industry. In fact, if HP had decided to uphold the Intellectual Property agreement they had with Steve Wozniack (sp?), the original Apple PC would be owned by HP and their endeavor would've been dead because he and Steve developed it on their own time, but while he was under contract with HP. They are dasterdly contracts where the company owns your thoughts, ideas and creative talent.

[Anthony]

God you all miss the point.

Selling out would mean that the company is taking money at the expense of their customer's satisfaction.

.... .... Apparently you have not been to the JDennis forums in a while, or your just in denial.


And lay off ojm... Just because he works for DeadAIM doesn't mean he is a idiot... I actually think he is a pretty cool guy.

[J3utton]

My understanding of what the term "selling out" means is this:

Selling out is when you are part of the underground (in this case free products) and you decide to take a large chuch of change to become part of the machine, the cold-hearted corporate machine.

When GreenDay got their large recording contract, those in the Punk Music circles viewed them as a sell out because if you got paid and airplay for your music you were a sell out. Plain and simple. Metallica is viewed as a sellout because they decided their pocket books were more important than everything else. In the case of Metallica, I believe the quality of the music has suffered, but it isn't necessarily directly related to them selling out. I think it's more because James Hetfield "got sober". Some would say Green Day provides a BETTER product than they did when they were "underground". But in both cases they became part of the "corporate machine" and that made them a sell out.

ITS CALLED CAPITALISM!!!!!! Sometimes I wish all you commy assholes and quazi-socialist faggots would just move to North Korea or China... Im sure youll all be happy there....

I apologize, Im sorry for calling anyone names. Sometimes I get a little excited and angry.


And Dadink, Were not talking about freaking children here... were talking about COMPUTER CODE.... please stop using anologies that dont make any sence to try and prove your point.

[Timelessblur]

Just a word of advice dont insult any of the Big-o member here who post a lot. If you do you will turned around and get flamed 10 times worse. But everyone lets try to keep this clean