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Movie Piracy

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:09 pm
by Anthony
Any ever see one of those movie piracy commercials? The one where they have a set designer complain about how P2P users are dipping into their salaries by downloading movie…

Well they talk about how the directors and actors and such are making millions but remind us that they are not, and urge us to not download movies since they don’t make so much money.

Well something came to mind when I saw it… Instead of complaining to the consumers, because we all know that the movie downloaders don’t even compare to the movie ones and there fore there is a ton of buyers still out there…. Why don’t they complain to the actors and directors?

I mean if everyone in the movie that makes more then 5 million a movie let go of 2 million, and did this over 3 movies (I’m pretty sure that we can say most people that are semi big do 3 movies a year), then the guy that is making $50,000 (which BTW is a lot of money anyways) can start making a lot more money.

The bad guys in this are not the consumers, and everyone needs to stop attacking the consumers. I don’t know about you, but if I didn’t download movies (which I really don’t) then I would be pissed that they are showing me this type of thing (let alone in the THEATER (because of course I don’t pay for movies)) is going to piss me off.

Apparently they are going to make (what they make out to be hard core crooks) feel bad and stop downloading stuff… Ya… That’s exactly what they are going to do.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:56 am
by Timelessblur
the comustion made me sick. It very disrespecting to the fact that most people PAY for there movies. Hell a friend of mine here does have matix reloaded already downloaded but then again it has not be released yet on DVD. I pay for most of my movies I watch or I watch most of them in some legal fasction (At a friends house. Borrowed it from a friend ect...)

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:00 pm
by fuuucckkers
Timelessblur wrote:the comustion made me sick. It very disrespecting to the fact that most people PAY for there movies. Hell a friend of mine here does have matix reloaded already downloaded but then again it has not be released yet on DVD. I pay for most of my movies I watch or I watch most of them in some legal fasction (At a friends house. Borrowed it from a friend ect...)
technically.. borrowing from a friend is not legal.
If you've ever read that legal CAUTION disclaimer thingy before a movie..and even the rentals...

for home and private exihibition only. not to be viewed or borrowed and all that stuff by others.

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:22 pm
by Timelessblur
x Wasted Mind x wrote:
Timelessblur wrote:the comustion made me sick. It very disrespecting to the fact that most people PAY for there movies. Hell a friend of mine here does have matix reloaded already downloaded but then again it has not be released yet on DVD. I pay for most of my movies I watch or I watch most of them in some legal fasction (At a friends house. Borrowed it from a friend ect...)
technically.. borrowing from a friend is not legal.
If you've ever read that legal CAUTION disclaimer thingy before a movie..and even the rentals...

for home and private exihibition only. not to be viewed or borrowed and all that stuff by others.
Well then the movie industty can kiss my shiny white ass.
I borrow movies all the time from friends or I watch them at there house. Now that add made me even more wanting to download movies. My first thoguh was WELL DUH I already knew it all

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:25 pm
by Anthony
Well lets see -

Don't bororrow movies
Don't boworow cds
dont tape things from radio
....

blah

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:02 am
by harra
To add to the insanity, if you want to legally have a copy of a cd in your house and car you can either
  1. Carry it from your house to your car
  2. Buy a copy for each location
A lawyer for the RIAA stated back when this MP3 fiasco started that there is no "fair use" clause for music. The RIAA just "let it slide" during the analog days.

But, I also heard that it is illegal to let anyone borrow anything that has a copyright associated with it. That includes books.

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:37 am
by Anthony
Um... Say good bye to librarys I guess... Anyone that thinks a school library gets all their books from some special outlet is insane.

I don't know where this makes college and public librarys fall but, I would assume it's about the same (maybe a little more drastic, but simply because it's cheaper that way).

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:41 am
by harra
I believe libraries have special arrangements with book publishers. Plus, and I may be wrong, but aren't Public Libraries, gov't subsidized. Meaning, they are supported by our tax dollars. If that is the case, then gov't involvement could shut up copyright protection. In our libraries, we can even check out uncut copies of movies

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:51 am
by harra
If I'm reading my google searching correctly, libraries have special licenses that tranform the books/music/movies from a "home use only" license to a public performance license. That right doesn't tranfer to those who borrow the media. They are governed by the original "home use only" license

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:01 am
by Anthony
I figured as much but -

What about the libraries that don't buy (from what I assume to have to be a place that has the right to sell books under said licence) every time from the "special" places and sometimes order from say B&N, because they don't feel like waiting a week for the book to arive.

And why don't the libraries pay a larger fee then the consumer. They actually pay less for these books. Do you realize how much more Blockbuster has to pay for the same video you buy in a store for the right to rent it... Sure libraries are educational, but not every book is going to be useful in any case...

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:12 am
by Timelessblur
Well if borrowing friends Movies/books are illigle. ( iwould say music but genral that means I planing on riping it or burning my self a copy) Then arrest me because I loan and borrow books and movies to and from my friends quite offen. Hell I think it would be a a few hunderded bucks worth of stuff each way. As for buying music for my car and my house hell no. If I like ot listen to them in both place I use my CD copier and burn a copy for my car. I keep most of the orginals in my house because cds tend to be more likely damage in my car from the heats (Ray can contest how hot cars in houston get during the summer). Plus it makes changing the cd easier since I dont have to be as carriful with them. If the get strach I just burn a new copy of it.

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:21 am
by harra
Timeless,

There are things we do everyday that if held to the strictest interpretations of the law would be deemed illegal. Do you cross a street at locations other than designated crosswalks? Do you go even 1 MPH over the speedlimit?

Also, unlike the above examples, a law enforcement agency isn't going to punish you for copyright infringements unless the copyright holder requests it. I have heard in the past that copyright holders felt that the actions of public libraries were in violoation of copyright law, but it is hard to find any information on the web that clearly defines why a public library can freely loan out books, music, and movies, yet we cannot.

It could simply come down to the fact of bad press. Libraries promote learning. Crack down on them and you look bad. The enforcement of copyrights is a relatively new thing. In fact, any book published prior to 1928 is already in the public domain. It isn't protected anymore. That means libaries have been a part of our community much longer than the enforcement of these laws.

Also, it has never been said that the copying of any materials checked out from a libarary is legal. Libraries are eagerly supporting measures to make it impossible for us to copy the CDs and DVDs we check out from their establishments

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:30 am
by Anthony
But we can copy things from books/magazines... The only reason that you may be stoped for that is because of costs to keep up the copiers (paper/ink (A thing of ink in a pretty standard Xerox copier is about $150 a week.. And you start to see why places are charging 10 cents a page).

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:43 am
by harra
When I was going to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, it used to be common practice for a teacher to not provide a textbook. You'd go down to Kinko's and pick up a packet. The packet was a serious of documents, journal articles, etc that the teacher had selected. Eventually, this practice was deemed a violation of copyright. It could only be continued if a "fee" was charged for each packet to cover royalties. Well, the fees put the cost of the packet at a price point greater than a professionally published textbook. So the practice was universally disbanded at the campus.

Unfortunately, this thread has gotten off-topic by a whole lot. I guess we are supposed to be talking about movie piracy

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:07 pm
by Anthony
Okay... Well just to make things a bit intresting:

How many people actually have downloaded movies from the likes of Kazaa...

I have a couple time, but I stopped after about 2-4 because the rips were just so bad from even the best of locations. They actually lowered my enjoyment of the movie by a lot (a good 50%). Getting a free movie but only enjoying it at about 50% of what I would if I watched it on video was just plain and simply NOT worth the non existant price tag.